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		<title>By: When &#8220;woman&#8221; means &#8220;short&#8221; &#171; Design Research</title>
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		<dc:creator>When &#8220;woman&#8221; means &#8220;short&#8221; &#171; Design Research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Making &#8220;lady&#8221; hammers or tools doesn&#8217;t just mean &#8220;make it small.&#8221; Nor does it mean &#8220;make it pink.&#8221; What it means is understanding the deep context in which women use the product. Moto Guzzi could [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Making &#8220;lady&#8221; hammers or tools doesn&#8217;t just mean &#8220;make it small.&#8221; Nor does it mean &#8220;make it pink.&#8221; What it means is understanding the deep context in which women use the product. Moto Guzzi could [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Antje</title>
		<link>http://copernicusconsulting.net/what-product-designers-dont-get-about-gender/#comment-696</link>
		<dc:creator>Antje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,
liked the article &amp; the links. Thanks for voicing some of the frustrations!

Ken,
are you claiming that &quot;designing for the female market&quot; is equal to &quot;subdividing the world into a narrow and demographic slice&quot;?!

For clarification:
Females make up half of humanity in all kind of different roles and settings. Woman are not a small group, nor a homogeneous group of users. For most parts their requirements for products and applications are not distinct from &quot;male&quot; requirements (i.e. my husband&#039;s requirement to juggle childcare schedules is pretty identical to my own, as is his desire to fit a cellphone in his pocket, though he doesn&#039;t share my need for female hygiene products ;-).

Thus rather than considering &quot;woman features&quot; as an exception of the norm, we should try to identify and accommodate requirements relevant to a significant part of the user base, such as &quot;parents&quot; (and dissuade marketing from concentrating on pink covers and  rhinestones ;-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,<br />
liked the article &amp; the links. Thanks for voicing some of the frustrations!</p>
<p>Ken,<br />
are you claiming that &#8220;designing for the female market&#8221; is equal to &#8220;subdividing the world into a narrow and demographic slice&#8221;?!</p>
<p>For clarification:<br />
Females make up half of humanity in all kind of different roles and settings. Woman are not a small group, nor a homogeneous group of users. For most parts their requirements for products and applications are not distinct from &#8220;male&#8221; requirements (i.e. my husband&#8217;s requirement to juggle childcare schedules is pretty identical to my own, as is his desire to fit a cellphone in his pocket, though he doesn&#8217;t share my need for female hygiene products <img src='http://copernicusconsulting.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Thus rather than considering &#8220;woman features&#8221; as an exception of the norm, we should try to identify and accommodate requirements relevant to a significant part of the user base, such as &#8220;parents&#8221; (and dissuade marketing from concentrating on pink covers and  rhinestones <img src='http://copernicusconsulting.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Mads</title>
		<link>http://copernicusconsulting.net/what-product-designers-dont-get-about-gender/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>Mads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all about recognizing that design reproduces certain patterns (behavioral and cultural), and that designing is a powerful tool for shaping attitudes, beliefs. Designing for gender often reproduces traditional stereotypes and ideas and I think you came with some really good examples (also, think the &quot;volvo women&quot; concept car - extra mirrors everywhere...). Instead, design could be part of EXTENDING the classic gender repertoires. Rather than restricting specific functionalities or lifestyle representations to gender, it should work with extending the repertoires for action, representation, and identity for both male and female users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all about recognizing that design reproduces certain patterns (behavioral and cultural), and that designing is a powerful tool for shaping attitudes, beliefs. Designing for gender often reproduces traditional stereotypes and ideas and I think you came with some really good examples (also, think the &#8220;volvo women&#8221; concept car &#8211; extra mirrors everywhere&#8230;). Instead, design could be part of EXTENDING the classic gender repertoires. Rather than restricting specific functionalities or lifestyle representations to gender, it should work with extending the repertoires for action, representation, and identity for both male and female users.</p>
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		<title>By: sladner</title>
		<link>http://copernicusconsulting.net/what-product-designers-dont-get-about-gender/#comment-693</link>
		<dc:creator>sladner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have anything on design and gender specifically Lindsay, but I do have some great sources on gender.

Try reading &quot;If men could menstruate&quot; by Gloria Steinem. It holds up even after all these years. It shows how we can turn things on their heads when gender gets involved.

Also I&#039;d read the presentation of self in everyday life by Goffman. It shows how we &quot;give off&quot; the impression of gender. By that token, you may also try Gender Trouble by Judith Butler (warning! heady academic stuff!).

These are all thought starters really. I prefer to read widely and then try thinking more narrowly only when specifically applying ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have anything on design and gender specifically Lindsay, but I do have some great sources on gender.</p>
<p>Try reading &#8220;If men could menstruate&#8221; by Gloria Steinem. It holds up even after all these years. It shows how we can turn things on their heads when gender gets involved.</p>
<p>Also I&#8217;d read the presentation of self in everyday life by Goffman. It shows how we &#8220;give off&#8221; the impression of gender. By that token, you may also try Gender Trouble by Judith Butler (warning! heady academic stuff!).</p>
<p>These are all thought starters really. I prefer to read widely and then try thinking more narrowly only when specifically applying ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsaaaay</title>
		<link>http://copernicusconsulting.net/what-product-designers-dont-get-about-gender/#comment-692</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsaaaay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m doing a piece for my typography class on this exact subject, how designers/marketers decide how to target women and men through their choice of type and imagery and how it is stereotypical, subliminal and sometimes just downright rude. this article and all these comments really helped put words into my thoughts, do you happen to have any other sources or articles that point in this direction? I&#039;d greaty appreciate it. either way, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m doing a piece for my typography class on this exact subject, how designers/marketers decide how to target women and men through their choice of type and imagery and how it is stereotypical, subliminal and sometimes just downright rude. this article and all these comments really helped put words into my thoughts, do you happen to have any other sources or articles that point in this direction? I&#8217;d greaty appreciate it. either way, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: arvind</title>
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		<dc:creator>arvind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waiting for a piece on &quot;what product designers don&#039;t get about &#039;emerging economies&#039;&quot; (or whatever current expression finds flavour for the poorer countries)!</description>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

As a designer, I agree with your general thesis.  The ideal in design is to create an overarching universality that appeals to us as humans.  However, good design also must considers the needs and lifestyle of the product&#039;s specific target audience.  As with ergonomic design, for example, we often choose a (statistically significant) compromise knowing full well that it will fit a very small minority perfectly.

For better or for worse, subdividing the world into narrow and presumptuous demographic slices, each with its own &quot;monolithic experience,&quot; is the nucleus of contemporary marketing theory.  Broadening a product line in an attempt to hit the centers of statistical preference clusters does not inherently imply bad design.

Yeah, the whole &#039;pink for girls&#039; thing is cliche.  No doubt.  They may well be incorrect using these assumptions to tailor the design to better suit more potential buyers.  Statistically, though, more women buy pink products than men.  That&#039;s a tough point to argue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>As a designer, I agree with your general thesis.  The ideal in design is to create an overarching universality that appeals to us as humans.  However, good design also must considers the needs and lifestyle of the product&#8217;s specific target audience.  As with ergonomic design, for example, we often choose a (statistically significant) compromise knowing full well that it will fit a very small minority perfectly.</p>
<p>For better or for worse, subdividing the world into narrow and presumptuous demographic slices, each with its own &#8220;monolithic experience,&#8221; is the nucleus of contemporary marketing theory.  Broadening a product line in an attempt to hit the centers of statistical preference clusters does not inherently imply bad design.</p>
<p>Yeah, the whole &#8216;pink for girls&#8217; thing is cliche.  No doubt.  They may well be incorrect using these assumptions to tailor the design to better suit more potential buyers.  Statistically, though, more women buy pink products than men.  That&#8217;s a tough point to argue.</p>
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		<title>By: sladner</title>
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		<dc:creator>sladner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat,
I think you missed the point of my post.

The point is not that &quot;some women like pink (though apparently not hot pink)&quot;. The point is that &quot;appealing to women&quot; is somehow a different category than the default &quot;make an appealing product.&quot;

This is a classic case of making woman &quot;the other.&quot;

Some women like pink. Some men do too. That is not the problem. The problem is designing a product for the mass market and only realizing after the fact that this product does conform to some imagined notion of what women are and want.

There is no statistically valid problem with this; the problem is making the feminine gender a single, monolithic experience. This IS bad design because it does not serve actual users of the product.

Product designers who think &quot;designing for women&quot; is somehow different than &quot;designing for people&quot; do bad design. Designing for people who need small sizes is not a &quot;women&#039;s design&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat,<br />
I think you missed the point of my post.</p>
<p>The point is not that &#8220;some women like pink (though apparently not hot pink)&#8221;. The point is that &#8220;appealing to women&#8221; is somehow a different category than the default &#8220;make an appealing product.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a classic case of making woman &#8220;the other.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some women like pink. Some men do too. That is not the problem. The problem is designing a product for the mass market and only realizing after the fact that this product does conform to some imagined notion of what women are and want.</p>
<p>There is no statistically valid problem with this; the problem is making the feminine gender a single, monolithic experience. This IS bad design because it does not serve actual users of the product.</p>
<p>Product designers who think &#8220;designing for women&#8221; is somehow different than &#8220;designing for people&#8221; do bad design. Designing for people who need small sizes is not a &#8220;women&#8217;s design&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You missed the point of the New York Times article and the point about the availability of a pink smart phone. I don&#039;t think RIM created a pink Blackberry in  order to attract women to smartphones. Rather, I suspect RIM merely recognizes that women are buying smart phones and therefore offered a choice of color that happens to appeal to women. The point is that there is enough women buying smart phones now that RIM can even afford to offer a pink version (ie. there are enough paying customers to justify creating the pink version and giving it shelf space). I think you have a chip on your shoulder over this issue. I agree that the connection between pink and women is a bit of a stereotype, but on the other hand it happens to reflect reality, so why fault RIM or AT&amp;T for recognizing it. And it&#039;s not like they are prohibiting men from buying it. It would be a far bigger sin for RIM or AT&amp;T to avoid selling pink phones to women who want them out of concern for stereotyping or to spend their marketing dollars trying to sell pink phones to men. And if you think that the shrinking size of a smart phone (and the fact that they have become small enough to fit easier in purses) isn&#039;t a factor in the purchasing decisions of women who carry purses, then I think you should do some market research. I asked five of my women friends and they all confirmed that size and fitting a phone in their purse would be a factor for them. And two of them said they would buy a pink phone and one said &#039;maybe&#039; (I then asked those three if they would buy it if it was a &quot;hot&quot; pink instead of a more subtle shade of pink and all three said &#039;no&#039;, so shades matter). This obviously isn&#039;t a statistically valid marketing study, but I suspect it is more likely than not to be representative of the market. The New York Times article wasn&#039;t about design. It was about a trend. There are enough women who want a pink phone that it makes business sense to offer pink phones. That isn&#039;t bad design. That is basic economics and marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed the point of the New York Times article and the point about the availability of a pink smart phone. I don&#8217;t think RIM created a pink Blackberry in  order to attract women to smartphones. Rather, I suspect RIM merely recognizes that women are buying smart phones and therefore offered a choice of color that happens to appeal to women. The point is that there is enough women buying smart phones now that RIM can even afford to offer a pink version (ie. there are enough paying customers to justify creating the pink version and giving it shelf space). I think you have a chip on your shoulder over this issue. I agree that the connection between pink and women is a bit of a stereotype, but on the other hand it happens to reflect reality, so why fault RIM or AT&amp;T for recognizing it. And it&#8217;s not like they are prohibiting men from buying it. It would be a far bigger sin for RIM or AT&amp;T to avoid selling pink phones to women who want them out of concern for stereotyping or to spend their marketing dollars trying to sell pink phones to men. And if you think that the shrinking size of a smart phone (and the fact that they have become small enough to fit easier in purses) isn&#8217;t a factor in the purchasing decisions of women who carry purses, then I think you should do some market research. I asked five of my women friends and they all confirmed that size and fitting a phone in their purse would be a factor for them. And two of them said they would buy a pink phone and one said &#8216;maybe&#8217; (I then asked those three if they would buy it if it was a &#8220;hot&#8221; pink instead of a more subtle shade of pink and all three said &#8216;no&#8217;, so shades matter). This obviously isn&#8217;t a statistically valid marketing study, but I suspect it is more likely than not to be representative of the market. The New York Times article wasn&#8217;t about design. It was about a trend. There are enough women who want a pink phone that it makes business sense to offer pink phones. That isn&#8217;t bad design. That is basic economics and marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: octo</title>
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		<dc:creator>octo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pink is a self-propagating phenomenon - it&#039;s &quot;hot&quot; to a lot of people, and it sells.  In a lot of cases, Pink tends to be the first color that&#039;s considered to make a product in after black, silver (or white) because it sells.

The more colors you make a product, the more SKU numbers, different packaging, production quantities, etc you&#039;ll need - so it costs money to offer a variety of colors.  In a lot of cases though, a Pink product isn&#039;t any different - just Pink.

In your second enumeration you disengender the feature you&#039;re describing.  What you say makes sense, but it no longer addresses the needs of a woman (specifically).  To engender a  product, you need to leverage a quality that is specific to that gender - like women&#039;s greater penchant for empathy, emotion, or verbal communication, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pink is a self-propagating phenomenon &#8211; it&#8217;s &#8220;hot&#8221; to a lot of people, and it sells.  In a lot of cases, Pink tends to be the first color that&#8217;s considered to make a product in after black, silver (or white) because it sells.</p>
<p>The more colors you make a product, the more SKU numbers, different packaging, production quantities, etc you&#8217;ll need &#8211; so it costs money to offer a variety of colors.  In a lot of cases though, a Pink product isn&#8217;t any different &#8211; just Pink.</p>
<p>In your second enumeration you disengender the feature you&#8217;re describing.  What you say makes sense, but it no longer addresses the needs of a woman (specifically).  To engender a  product, you need to leverage a quality that is specific to that gender &#8211; like women&#8217;s greater penchant for empathy, emotion, or verbal communication, etc.</p>
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